![]() On the surface, these might seem reasonable to some people… But there are huge amounts of cognitive dissonance at play here. GM: Yeah, it’s a thick metal door, you can’t bust through it. Martial Player: Ok, I’ll try to get through the locked door it was guarding… Your swings had enough strength behind them to kill the mighty beast. Martial Player: Ok, I do 200 points of damage to the Adult Red Dragon… Is it dead? And Hit Points are just an abstraction of damage, you’re not really tanking those blows… But fine… Most of the bones in your body are broken. GM: I don’t care, it’s not humanly possible to survive a fall from that height. Martial Player: But I tanked like 5 Fireballs on the way here, I got clubbed by a Hill Giant last week and a Dragon set me on fire earlier yesterday! GM: No human being could survive that, I don’t care how many hit points you have. GM: You jumped off a 50 story building and landed on concrete. GM: Caster Player, you’ve flown away from them and appear to be safe. Martial Player: I jump off the building! The enemy can’t follow me down here with how little hit points they have! You’re still just a guy with a sword.Ĭaster Player: I cast Fly and soar off the building! Let’s see them catch me now! Player: But cannonballs do less damage than my attack on average…ĭM: It’s not humanly possible, I don’t care if your character can do this much damage in a single round. Player: So I’d like to use my sword to cleave through this door… I do about 70 points of damage The Guy At The Gym Fallacy in a nutshell: Mundane/martial characters should be limited to the limits of what is possible in our world. By the way, please let me know if this violates any forum rules. I wrote this mostly with 3.5E/Pathfinder and D&D 5E in mind, but I feel it can apply across the various editions of D&D (and derivatives), so I put it in the general Roleplaying Games forum. Let me know your thoughts on this if you agree or disagree. What I am going to point out is that a Level 20 character is anything but mundane though. I’m going to say up front, I’m not going to tell you not to play a completely mundane character if you want to, that’s not what this is about. This started out as me writing about the parts of the fallacy I noticed and problems with it, but then sort of took on a life of its own and I decided to post this here. These are just my opinion, but I do want to see what others have to say on the matter. ![]() EDIT: This thread's line of thought has moved far beyond my OP, anyway, if anyone wants to PM me about any martial fixes they have for high level martials, or what they feel about superhuman martials should be capable of from a conceptual level, go for it, I look forward to reading interpretations on them.īefore we begin, I want to say that this is my first post here, and I’ve read a few other threads about the Martial-Caster Disparity, Linear Fighter, Quadratic Wizard, and the “Guy at the Gym” Fallacy… So I decided to put my own thoughts on the subject into words, and see what other people interested in the subject have to say about it.
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